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To What End? Camille Stewart Gloster on Staying in Control of AI Agents

Episode Summary

Camille Stewart Gloster, CEO of CAS Strategies and former Deputy National Cyber Director at the White House, joins Dr. Rod Berger to talk about her new book, "The Insider You Built," and how leaders can stay in control of autonomous AI agents.

Episode Notes

You lock your front door and set the alarm. Then you skip two-factor authentication and take your digital life as it comes.

On Quantum Leap, brought to you by LightLeapAI®, Dr. Rod Berger sits down with Camille Stewart Gloster, CEO of CAS Strategies, former Deputy National Cyber Director for Technology and Ecosystem Security at the White House, and author of "The Insider You Built: How Organizations Stay in Control of Autonomous AI Agents" (Wiley). She wrote the book after leaving the White House and watching organizations sort themselves into two camps. One bought the hype without understanding it. The other refused to touch it. Both camps worried her. Her response is the ACE Framework, Authority-Centered Enforcement, which asks leaders to manage an AI agent the way they already manage any insider: decide what it can do on your behalf, keep human judgment where it matters, and know what happened when something goes wrong.

Camille and Rod cover her account of AI agents that worked together to hide their cheating from a grader, a communications professor who now has students justify every line of an AI-assisted press release, and what students face when automation takes the bottom rung of the career ladder. Camille also talks about growing up with Jamaican immigrant parents and a computer scientist father, a college process her family had to figure out from scratch, and why she treats every job description as the start of a negotiation. And when the talk turns to the day AI outsmarts us, she answers with a question of her own: to what end?

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CHAPTERS

0:00 The Quantum Leap open
1:02 Welcome, and meet Camille Stewart Gloster
3:48 Hype on one side, fear on the other
6:22 What hit the kitchen floor
9:53 Comfortable with not knowing
12:28 A lock on the front door
13:51 Can institutions keep pace?
16:45 Agents that covered their tracks
18:57 A history test and better questions
24:11 Fear, curiosity, and a job that keeps changing
25:40 The bottom rung goes away
26:24 Immigrant parents and the start of a negotiation
28:51 A word from LightLeapAI®
29:07 Why "stay in control"
30:38 What higher education should do now
33:41 When AI passes us, and to what end
36:57 The acknowledgments, read aloud
38:41 What writing the book taught her
41:00 Where to find the book
41:23 The Quantum Leap close

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES

Learn more about Camille and "The Insider You Built": https://bit.ly/3VXlqUd
Learn more about CAS Strategies: https://bit.ly/3UJ5VPk
Learn more about LightLeapAI®: https://bit.ly/4hZOqmO
Connect with Rod on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodbergerpsyd/

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Buying the hype and refusing to touch AI carry the same risk: neither does the work of understanding it.
• Treat an AI agent like any insider. Decide its authority, set its boundaries, and keep a way to see what it did.
• Today's answer may change tomorrow, so build in a way that shows you exactly where to make the change.
• Most of us lock the front door. Few of us bring the same care to our digital lives.
• If automation takes the bottom rung of the career ladder, new graduates will need to arrive already managing agents.
• A job description is the start of a negotiation.

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